2025 Season - UK Episode Discussion

[CaptainHulk]

Leah, I love ya baby, but the Mourning Hoodie has go to *Go*!

2 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

 It felt like Marilyn actually tried to be a grown-up for once and decide for herself, only for all the adults (including ones a decade or more younger than her) to step in and insist she go home.

Tbf, the concern of a re(col)lapse and having to scrape her off the floor again is pretty valid in my book.

[H&Alover]

One thing in her favour Mac did come back after getting that call from Eden.  I'm kind of guessing she didn't tell Dean or Ziggy about her miscarriage.  Yes it was her who suffered  the miscarriage, even if it was early one, but he wanted that baby too. She is coming across as still in denial, hence her falling apart at the end, despite earlier using the  "I'm fine" lie to Tane who hadn't been told about it. I think Levi storming off triggered her doing to cry on Tane's shoulder. 

Seems she does care about him asking Cash if he could get Levi out of it, but as Cash and Levi himself said he admitted what he did and there were about a dozen witnesses.   

Marilyn can be very stubborn at times, if that had been  Leah or Irene doing the same thing,  she would be doing the same, telling them to go home and rest. Though now of course there is no Irene who would have stepped in for Leah.

 Going back to Eden Remi was a single guy and she had only just met Imogen so felt she ought to be there for her, after what their dad did to their mum. 

Ditto Kacey and not complying with her dad re Wendell, she is more like him in that way, not wanting to back down.  David was doing his own own private investigating, so in  a way it was do what I say, not what I do. 

Jo and Tane have only just got together and Jo does know about his and Harper's arrangement with looking after Archie so David is a bit behind there.  Theo was a good  young lad, although, of course, he didn't know him when he first arrived in the bay  so would have had   a completely  different opinion of him but compared to Gage he was a pussycat. 

Touching scene with David, Jo  and Lacey toasting Theo's Birthday. 

Going by the promo Peter has had his article about Lacey printed, but as  it was against her wishes and she didn't give him an interview can't he be done for that? 

[James Martin]

Just when I didn't think I could dislike Leah any further, she goes there.

"I won't lay into Lacey"

*Goes to Surf Club and does it anyway.*

Crazy that Lacey doesn't want to push for an AVO. It's borderline harassment.

On the flipside, a brilliant scene from Mac & Levi.  "I think I'm broken" - what a line. It's been impossible to root for her either since her return, but it was exceptionally cruel to have her fall pregnant only to miscarry in the first place.  I know people in that position and when they finally did fall pregnant, they held off way beyond 12 weeks before telling anyone.  Don't most people?  I don't think my sisters told me about any of their kids until the 12 week mark.

Also, after all the short staffed storylines of last week, who was looking after the Diner and Coffee Cart whilst Leah was having her latest menty at Lacey?

[Red Ranger 1]

As hard to deal with as Mackenzie's behaviour was, she was absolutely right about one thing: It was ridiculous that Levi just buried his head in the sand and refused to tell anyone about the miscarriage. Eden practically had to be waving baby-gros in his (and Abigail's) face before he did the decent thing there, and he didn't bother to tell Tane at all. It's hard to shake the feeling that he's refusing to deal with this just as much as her, he's just pulling enough sad faces to get people's sympathy. That said, Mackenzie was being completely irrational and, as Levi said, just looking for excuses to hate him. I'm not quite sure what logic she uses to equate "pleading guilty" with "giving up": The point is that he is guilty and trying to pretend otherwise would just be suicidal, and any decent lawyer would tell him to focus on mitigation. The same with her accusing him of plastering on a smile and going to his sister's wedding (which he could only keep up for a few hours) when she spent about two weeks plastering on a smile and having a fun holiday with her brother. Mali demonstrated poor timing again by getting her out of a corner, but maybe Levi standing up to her and refusing to be her punch bag has had an effect.

I'm not sure Cash really helped the situation by telling David about Leah's latest run-in with Lacey, making it sound worse than it was (it was actually pretty mild compared to her previous rants) and glossing over the fact that Lacey was the one that got in her face without thinking it through. (Yes, the promo suggests it's going to get worse, but I'll wait until I've seen it in context before judging that.) Anyway, David's family lunch was a more healthy way of dealing with things than going and having a go at Leah. Or indeed doing a "Sorry not sorry" with Tane. Has he even bothered to read the case file?

[H&Alover]

Did Justin really believe Leah when she said she wouldn't go near Lacey again after that article was splashed all over the front page, none of us probably did and how long has he known her? Justin's therapist told him everyone grieves differently and not wanting to stereo type Leah is Greek so her Mediterranean heritage  may come into it. 

Good point about Leah  stalking off and leaving the Coffee Cart unwomaned, did Alf call in at the Diner and get someone to see to it?

  Of course we didn't see what it said and if   there any quotes from Lacey.  He still did the article without her knowledge or permission. He and the paper are the ones that need slamming.    I'm on Lacey's side about not wanting to take an AVO out on Leah. she's being the bigger woman in this instance and she knows it would make things worse. 

I thought Levi had told people, like Eden, Abi and Mali and his dad. It was only Tane that didn't know, it was only a small group of people who knew, has Mac told her mum about the miscarriage? It did appear Mac didn't tell Dean and Ziggy.  I thought Levi  was dealing with it better than Mac who just shut down and refused to even talk to him about it. He had people there for him so he could open up if he wanted to.  Mac did  throw the fact he went to the Wedding in his face when he said he didn't have to go but she insisted but yesterday said he still should have stayed with her.  Anyways they have now actually talked about it and seemingly reconciled.  The not telling people until the 12 week period is the usual time to tell people, but I think she and Levi were  so excited it went out of the window.  Plus Mac did  need to tell Mali as he thought the pregnancy test could  have been Abi's. 

Levi has a good rep and any staff member would say he is normally  a calm, reasonable guy which should go in his favour and that behaviour was totally out of character, he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or the right place at the right time, depending on how you want to look at it. Would using the fact his partner has just had a miscarriage as mitigation be rubbing Mac's face in it?  

Btw is that guy who assaulted Bree going to get charged with not  just that but what he did to the other guy? 

I spotted that qualified apology from  David to Tane, oh I think he would have read it very carefully.   We know Tane was a bit on the dodgy side before  he turned up  but was he ever charged with anything and would it have followed him to the bay? He's done a lot of good things since  by running that project to help kids like Peri. Is he still running it, it's gone very quiet on that  front. 

Edited January 15 by H&Alover

[CaptainHulk]

F.... ing Hell, Leah!

Guess you didn't learn from when Cassandra did it to you, Did you?  That would have been a wake-up call to anyone but noooo...

Lucky David wasn't in his blues, he would have pulled her in even if  Lacey wasn't his daughter and luckier Alf was there to put the Kibosh on it as he saw things escalating. I'm getting Greg Marshall '93 flashbacks here.

Sympathy fatigue is real. Maybe a visit to the parents, Alexi, Chris, VJ or whoever is in order.

Edited January 14 by CaptainHulk

[Red Ranger 1]

So, it's Wednesday and it's still Theo's birthday, which demonstrates why dating an event from the TX date doesn't really work. (And somehow Alf didn't know? Where was he when it kept being discussed? It makes him forcing Leah to go back to work so he could fuss over Marilyn seem even more short-sighted.)

I get that Tane was trying to be a good friend but he really did act like an enabler here. At the very least, he should have insisted Levi be informed where Mackenzie was before letting her hide out at his place. (And why does "Archie's with Harper and Dana" supposedly explain why he's not there all night? Harper lives there!) After being honest with Tane, Mackenzie was back to treating Levi like something she stepped in, but I guess seeming him refuse to take it anymore was the final wake-up call she needed to open up to him. Abigail sending Levi home just made things worse but at least she's letting him dictate things now.

Leah was just unbearable here. By this point, she clearly isn't letting any inconvenient facts get in the way of her warped view of the world. Everyone else in town can see that the article had nothing to do with Lacey, but she just brushed that aside and quickly seemed to forget about the article and slip back into her broken record "You're the reason he's dead!" mantra. She is utterly deluded if she thinks making the woman he loved's life a misery is "standing up for Theo": If he was here, he'd be the first one telling her to shut up. It's like she's transferred the last argument she had with Theo onto Lacey, and even Alf can't get through the delusion. That said, David was being equally ridiculous suggesting an AVO. He might have a point about it escalating, but only because this is the one and only time Leah has tracked Lacey down to have a go at her. Everything else has been down to Lacey turning up at Leah's house or approaching her despite Leah making it clear she wants nothing to do with her: By that logic, Leah's got more reason to take out an AVO! Lacey was right, he's just trying to deal with it as a police officer.

A slight oddity that, between scenes (during which no more than a few minutes seem to have passed), Justin goes from not having his therapy session until the afternoon and planning to have a walk first, to having to leave for it straightaway!

[c120701]

Sonny seems to be becoming the emotional support character for the Diner Ladies, first Irene, now Leah.

Marilyn meanwhile seems to be having an extended break from the Diner now, unless she’s on Coffee Cart duty.

Edited January 14 by c120701

[James Martin]

Now she's going after Costal News.  Ada's doing an amazing job with what she's been given - a shot for every "You're the reason Theo is dead" anyone? - but Jesus Christ she (the character not the actress, obvs) has become so unlikeable through this.  Like I literally can't root for her at all.

As RR1 points out, she's harassing the guy's "widow" for want of a better word.  So for these actions to come from someone who herself has been widowed twice and isn't even 50, it seems awfully inconsistent.  Especially so when the guy actually responsible has pleaded guilty.

However, the obsession with Sonny is weird asf.  I'm struggling to believe it.

But, grief makes you do crazy stuff.

Marylin's back at the Coffee Cart.

Hello Eddie!  It's all been a bit flat since the intended UK cliffhanger, so hopefully now we're ramping up to the Aussie one things will pick up.  We'll also only be 5 weeks/blocks behind Aus which I think is the closest the gap's been for some time.

[pembie]

I haven’t been watching but Leah is a very one dimensional character l think