2023 Season - UK Episode Discussion

[Red Ranger 1]

Whilst I like that it made Felicity stop and think, I must admit I wasn’t entirely convinced by Cash’s “violation of privacy” argument and wondered if he was just making stuff up. It’s not like Felicity was asking him for names.

Anyway, Felicity decided to go straight for the horse’s mouth but the horse wasn’t exactly being co-operative. Cash belatedly admitted that Jeremy might have a cynical reason for suggesting the meeting, and it was clear his only interest was in getting his rather insincere expressions of remorse on record. Felicity managed to say what she wanted to anyway. I can understand Tane being upset at being out of the loop, but hopefully he’ll understand Felicity would have spoken to him if he’d been there and she didn’t want to spoil his time with Gemma and Nikau.

Everyone looking at ways to move on from Lyrik, with Justin and Theo making a somewhat half-hearted attempt to be mechanics again. And Remi not really wanting to move on at all, making a gesture which even Eden can see is unwise.

[Foellfan]

1 hour ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

 must admit I wasn’t entirely convinced by Cash’s “violation of privacy” argument and wondered if he was just making stuff up. It’s not like Felicity was asking him for names.

No but she was asking to either watch or him describe the other women's traumas to assess Jeremy's MO, which would be wrong on many levels (to them, not him obviously). 

[Slade]

Cash has proven time and time again he has very little credibility as a police officer.  I was not happy he changed his mind about bringing Harper's sister in.  Not that I think because she's guilty but it makes a mockery of being a cop.

I went off Justin when he attempted to effectively sell Lyric out for Theo.  Objectively, Theo may live to regret no going solo for Forrest but I think personality wise he doesn't have the confidence with regards to handling the stuff off-stage it requires, which is odd given how cocky he was when he first rocked up.

Remi's face when he saw Justin/Theo/Forrest at Salt was priceless.

It's a little strange watching Alf opt for ignoring John, not biting his head off and adapting to the smart phone technology to control the volume of his hearing aid.

Watching Tane in yesterday's episode just reaffirms to me, he loves/cares more about Felicity than she does about him.  I'm not even disappointed she excluded him with regards to her plans to have a face to face meeting with her attacker.

[H&Alover]

Although no names would have been mentioned it is still 'their' private business, bad enough Jeremy invaded it. 

When he walked in, and I must admit I was surprised he was brought to Yabby Creek nick rather than Flick visiting his prison or somewhere near there, he, it seemed to me just looked right through her.  He had 'that' attitude as soon as he sat down.  Admittedly Flick did interrupt a bit but  he was giving such evasive answers and looking at the facilitator seemingly for approval when he should, if he was genuine, look at the person he had attacked - no no wimping out here - raped.   Very telling him asking if it would look good on his record, but we had that feeling about him all the time.  Flick did go back in all guns blazing didn't she.   The all important question - "why me" at last, "there were plenty of other women there".  Nothing personal it seems -  it was just that she had been careless enough to leave her drink unattended, but she wouldn't have been the only one, she was the unlucky one he picked when he was prowling around.  Then to really add insult to injury he chose to blackmail her.  She certainly went in for the kill calling him pathetic, several times with real meaning.   

She was certainly on a high telling Tane about how she handled him and put Jeremy so far down he'll find it hard to get back up, it certainly gave her a boost, giving her back power.  There will be a come down but that I suppose is only natural. 

I'm guessing Tame wasn't expected home that day otherwise Flick  would have made other arrangements.  I'm with you Red I'm also of the opinion she most certainly would have included him in her decision, but her letter arrived the same time as he heard about Gemma's accident and knowing how he feels about his family she let him go to them to support them.   She had Cash, Eden and later Mac to support her.  I'm guessing that she must have spoken to him while he was in NZ but kept stchum .   

Co-ink dinky he ran into Remi who was able to fill him in as to where she was but not why of course, Eden was discreet about that part of it at least.  Odd or maybe not Mac wasn't at SALT to maybe intervene.  

Remi doing what he knows best busking though his ignoring Justin's instruction  not to play any songs written/co-written by Kirby.  We did see a hint of the aftermath of that.    Was it just  me or is Bree avoiding him?

Theo is being realistic, more so than Justin, saying he'd like  to take his apprenticeship up again if Lyrik is 'dead'.  He is so not ready for a solo career.  I said a while ago Theo was  cocky when he came in and so out there, those vids were fun to do, but this, his musical dreams, mean so much more so taking it seriously which is why doing face to face interviews freak him out. 

Garage is still standing then, not as many as I thought there would be but Theo said it needed a clean up, has someone been looking after it?  Was that Alf he was on the phone to? 

[Red Ranger 1]

19 hours ago, Foellfan said:

No but she was asking to either watch or him describe the other women's traumas to assess Jeremy's MO, which would be wrong on many levels (to them, not him obviously). 

She didn't want to see them. She just asked Cash what he did in them. I don't really see anything wrong with that. Like I said, she's not asking about any of the women in particular, just wondering what sort of things Jeremy did.

I must admit to being disappointed with Felicity's reasoning to Tane, to the point that I think she did him a disservice. I'm sure he would have tried to talk her out of it, but I'm also sure that he'd have accepted her decision and supported her, much like Eden did.I don't know if Felicity would have found it harder to go against Tane than Eden? She almost made it sound like she'd have kept it from him even if he'd been there, which I have a hard time believing.I'm glad he accepted it, and I think he was right to do so, but I hope she takes his point about them needing to be a team on board.I was disappointed to hear Bella's still with Nikau: I was really hoping she'd have broken free of him, but the show's always gone down the lazy route where they're concerned.

Kirby's announcement was always going to happen and, while I can see it was depressing for the gang to have to sit there and watch the reaction, given that getting her to delay it did them more harm than good, they'd have been better off letting it go ahead in the first place. It didn't occur to me that Forrest might have timed it as payback, but it would be in character.Kirby probably should have kept a closer eye on what was going on (as Bree points out, she'd been pretty blind to the disruption Lyrik have experienced), but at least now she knows why Remi and Eden were off with her. Justin and Theo get plaudits for congratulating her but I guess they, like Bree, are less invested.At least we got a practical assessment of what Theo going back to his apprenticeship would mean and that it can't be Justin supervising him.I was also glad to see Leah involved in the discussion. We also finally got to see some reaction from Forrest to Theo turning down the solo deal, although it was a bit too after-the-fact to have an impact.I'm glad Remi and Eden understand Theo's decision anyway.We'll have to see whether Kirby confronting Forrest has any result.

[Foellfan]

Agree re: Flick/Tane, though I think he would've supported her ultimately it's one of the hardest things to do to watch someone you love walk into the jaws of it as it were; I found it quite telling when Eden asked 'Would you have told him?' and that she was kind of evasive, she has been known in the past to be economical with the truth on the odd occasion so I can understand Eden not necessarily taking it as read.

Re: The previous comment, it's incredible hard when you admit to stuff like that or other traumas, well me anyway, that although you know it's better to speak sometimes you fear are you being talked about, though you'd never actually know and that was I suppose the other angle I meant about other victims.

It's strange, I know Theo has always been a marmite character, I was actually kind of proud and pleased to see his proactivity and also sensibility on deciding about the TAFE stuff because even if Kirby hadn't left Lyrik there's no guarantee they wouldn't have been a one album wonder so thinking of the future is a very mature thing to do.

Sadly, re: Remi/Eden/Kirby, I know she didn't know what Forrest was doing, her going begging was kind of ridiculous, she made her choice and the sad truth in life is you don't always keep the friendships you started out with, whatever walk in life you take, it's one of those things that happens in this crazy world in soap or IRL.

[H&Alover]

I think and of course I may be very wrong but maybe the reason Felicity asked about the other survivors is did he pull the same stunt he did with her, prowling around hoping to spike their unattended drink, was that his usual MO?  Did he pick up others, get them so drunk they didn't know what was going on? What was going on in his mind, why did he do it, not as if he wasn't  a good looking guy, did he find he hard to connect with women? 

I suppose Flick could have given Tane the choice of staying with her or going to family but  to her his family came first.   Maybe two people opposing her wanting to attend may have been too much.  Would have been very hard if not impossible to have kept it from him if he had been there, how would she have explained the going off to the city with Eden, he would have known something was up. 

Anyways another Tane/Flick drama over - for now.  I did ask before but was there any resolution with Kahu or has he ben airbrushed from the family?  At least Belle and Nik are still together and he hadn't been stranded in NY. 

 I did like Remi's brazen playing  of all of Lyrik's songs and his 'do your worst' swipe at Forrest, it gave him great satisfaction.  What damages can he get out of them, they haven' got any money.  At last Kirby's delayed announcement that she is going solo is going to be out there.   Didn't Justin strike that deal that it was  announced after Lyrik's album came out, but then Forrest pulled that trick about them not being able to use any songs Kirby had had a part in.  Not that Kirby had any idea about any of that.  He had that meeting with her at SALT and 'suggested' he take over all the business side of it so she didn't feel torn  between her ongoing career and leaving her friends behind.  It was also his idea she shouldn't talk to them or Justin so they and her obviously didn't pick up on what he was doing.   Remi's folks have a holiday home eh, how well off are they? Pity Remi & Kirby have shot off  just as Kirby finds out the big  secret that had been kept from her.   Kirby did try and explain to Eden & Remi but of course they shut her down, she did look very puzzled about the references to not being able to sing their songs.  Bree at least did listen and explained what the problem, and a big one at that, was, wonder if Bree will fill Eden and  Remi in? Hence her explosion at Forrest.  We know she wouldn't have any problem with Lyrik using their songs on the album.  Problem is what sort of deal has Forrest got her locked into, is it written he has the final say in what she writes or has written, does he own the copyrights?  

Theo is assuming a lot that there will be a place for him at TAFE and who will he get to supervise him as Justin still can't?   Anyway good to see his's motivated enough to see what possibilities there are.   He is thinking ahead and  a second trade wouldn't hurt any.  

[Red Ranger 1]

Nikau would probably have been better off staying in New Zealand with the family rather than being stuck in New York as Bella's hanger-on.

Cash, Harper and Dana having to play detective but they're in a bit of a tight spot as to what to do if they do come up with evidence.They can't exactly take it to Madden, who's clearly going to ignore any evidence that contradicts the narrative he's peddling.What exactly happened to Harper requesting a lawyer, which seems to be exactly what they need right now?No-one quite managed to blink when Madden was pushing their buttons. Harper wanting to collect the CCTV is daft if well-intentioned: No-one's going to hand it over to a random person. Dana continues to be frustrating.I guess at least she's moved on from insisting Olly wouldn't sell her out, but now she's leaving him threatening phone messages from Harper's phone, which kind of gives away the fact she's with her!

Kirby blowing up at Forrest didn't really seem to make any difference, with her not even floating the possibility of letting Lyrik play their songs again.I appreciate Justin giving her objective advice, although it feels a bit like he's giving more support to her than to the band members he's still nominally the manager of.Leah's visit to the garage was a bit random but quite sweet.

Alf's conversations with Bree didn't really seem to lead to anything.I guess they were just to remind us Roo exists and maybe prepare for when she actually does come home.

[CaptainHulk]

Caught up the last 4 eps (Been kind of busy) 

The Felicity thing is the only thing jumping out. This flat Lyrik story and the equally flat Forrest is draining.

Did chuckle and groaned a bit when Alf admitted he adjusted the hearing aid, I was like "Why did you tell them?!"

[H&Alover]

Guess we will have to agree to disagree about Belle & Nik. 

I may have to revise my thoughts about Dana being in it with Madden to bring Olly down. Not saying more as I don't want to put any spoilers on here.   But I will say it was NOT a good idea Dana ringing Olly telling him about the CCTV tape Cash was collecting.  Odd or maybe not Olly has never responded to any calls Dana has made to him.

Dana isn't supposed to be there is she so why was the back door left open when Harper and Cash went for their walk and then to Yabby Creek?  I know the Beach House is quite isolated but John could have popped by or Maz to check if everything was OK, find door wide open and a strange woman living there.  Harper is convincing about not knowing where Dana is and I'm supposing Madden and his crew aren't tracking any calls from Harper's mobile.  

I guess, initially, they didn't think they'd need a lawyer, that can come across as that you have something to hide,  but then the tone of Madden's questions turned making anyone think I need one.  Cash, Harper and Dana going over the transcripts did bring up something no-one asked Harper if she was with Dana at the time of the theft thus supplying her with a valid alibi and there must have been others in the restaurant to back them up.  Any cop worth their salt would check an alibi.  Of course no-one would give a random stranger a copy of their CCTV, how long ago did this happen btw? I get she wanted to not get Cash in any deeper but he's already invested. Beside he's not got anything else to keep him busy as Eden has gone off with Remi, never even said bye to him face to face, just a text from her phone.  

That was a short lived rant Kirby made to Forrest about how dare he go behind her back and well effectively lie about the copyright issues.   Is there a way that can be reversed, well the ones she and Lyrik wrote together so Lyrik can play 'their' songs?   She didn't make that many conditions of her staying with him just informing her of any decisions affecting her.      I can see why she was reluctant to call Remi & Eden as Bree suggested as they wouldn't answer her calls but Bree could ring them and tell them the truth about the whole copyright thing. 

More favours that Alf is going to need to repay to Bree.  Does sound like Roo will be making an appearance soon.  

Not giving anything away but Samuel rocks up at Xander and Rose's tonight.   

As an aside if Kirby is off to the city it will give Xander some peace.