Who's the ultimate villian?

[-Kevin-]

I think Sam was a really nasty piece of work leading upto her death truly evil.

But i agree that Zoe was better first time round but i wernt as bothered last time round

and Johnny was just full on BAD he had poor hot Rocco killed and got Sally stabbed

for the second time(by himself this time though) the robbery at Amanda's and even doing one last bit of evil

when he was dead and that was showing Sam for who she really was

I loved nasty Sam . I thought her character was fantastic towards her end of her time in the bay.

She wasnt ever evil anyway she was just completely misunderstood I think . She was forced to do what she did because Johnny drove her to it and also on top of the Johnny stuff going on she had her massive insecurities about Jack & Martha going on as well.

I think Jack was a real ass to Sam when he found out about Johnny. Clearly it was only an excuse to end things with Sam

Sam deserved justice which she didnt get

I think Zoe was a fantastic villian the 1st time around though at the same time she wasnt because we never really knew she was doing all the things the stalker did because the stalkers identity was a secret.

I think Amanda was actually a brilliant villian because she was such a bitch!! She didnt care about anybody, which was fantastic.

But my favourite villain was the fantastic Kelli Vale.

She was just plain evil , from having Belle kidnapped,ruining Amandas relationship with Peter and their wedding, trying to make her out to be an alcoholic , trying to make Dan think shes a bad mother and trying to ruin her businesses and then ultimately leaving Amanda in a burning car to die.

If Amandaas to come back I'd love to see a Kelli return as well

[Slade]

I agree Sexyluc I absolutely loved Kelli Vale and enjoyed the saga between her and Amanda and she was probably one of my favourite bad guys however I’m not sure I would label her as the “Ultimate villain” simple because she was only really a threat to Amanda. Belle’s kidnapping was simply part of her long term strategy in terms of revenge and she purposely arranged it so she could be found. I even remember her reaction when Ethan killed that guy who was blackmailing her (The one who she paid to originally kidnap Belle). She definitely didn’t want him killed.

Sam possibly but I thought she was only really a threat to Jack and Martha. Yes she did bad things in her past but she tried to reform although admittedly she killed Johnny Cooper. However I always thought the circumstances were different (I’m not excusing the killing). And she actually tried to frame J/M. I thought she was more disturbed than actually evil.

For me it would have to be between Johnny and Zoe (Eve). As someone already mentioned he had his own brother killed, tried to kill Sally, would have murdered Ric. Not to mention that he spent most of his life as a criminal. And he was ALWAYS projected as a bad guy.

Eve murdered the nurse (Zoe) and assumed her identity, tried to kill Sally, tried to blow up various people, sabotaged a plane, almost blew everyone up again at Jack and Martha’s wedding reception. So her repertoire spoke for itself.

[Jamey-Maria]

Dear, sweet, precious Corey. The best bit was that he had the most innocent face ever but underneath it all he was trying to avenge his father. Perhaps the fact that I love Adam Saunders made be a tad bit biast but I just loved watching him, and even though I'd worked out the plot I thought it wasn't done in a way (especially in the beginning) that didn't make it fairly obvious. It was awesome.

Angie definitley has to be up there too. The scene that stands out in my mind is definitley the one with Nic where she went nuts. She was so evil I just had to love her. Everytime I thought she couldn't get any worse she'd outdo herself, it was fantastic to watch.

I'd put Sam on there too, even though I couldn't stand her until her final few months. I think her fate was deserved (minus the rape) because it all stemmed from her greed with drugs. It wasn't the fact that she was some pure evil nutejob like Johnny who was what you see is what you get either, it was because she put on this misunderstood victim front when underneath she would have done absolutely anything to protect herself that made her ruthless. Even when Jack found out about her lying she tried to pyschologically manipulate him by making him believe he'd done something wrong and that she suffered through it all for him, that somehow because she'd lied to him he owed her. Definitley villian material. Perhaps disturbed is the word but I personally still think she makes the list. Made for good viewing.

[Slade]

How could I forget about Angie? Yes she was amazing. One of my all time favourites. I remember that scene with Nic. That was when she framed him for assaulting her (all because he spoke out of turn to Dillon several months prior). I also remember another scene where she went ballistic (the actual episode of her downfall). She was inside one of the classrooms and she started throwing all the chairs and turning over the tables then when Paris came in she said someone else vandalised it. She had riled everyone up so much even Flynn was trying to put pressure on her to leave. So with regard to the show she is still up there but I’m still unsure as to whether she was pure evil though.

[matt50]

i agree with the people that said Sam was more misunderstood than evil i don't agree with the person that said she deserved what happen to her and no one deserves to be raped that one of the most worst things to go through and wrong about her manipulating jack and being greedy with drugs im not going to tell names in cause they read this but i know some one whos really greedy with drugs and loves to take advantage of people and i know another person that is very manipulative and has treated me like garbage for years Sam dasent even come close to being those things that's why people like Sam end up killing them self's everyone likes to gudge them and they fell like no one cares about them anymore its a pity 4 out of five people are like that there's not enough people that's understanding its very sad and tragic

i liked Zoe the best out of the villains i loved watching that storyline

[corribate]

yeah johnny was a nasty piece of work

[DinerLandlord]

Sam was not evil. She was misunderstood, and completely mentally unstable. She did terrible things out of total desperation, and even though she was the mastermind behind Shane's drug dealing, she still did it all to try and hold her children's lives together. She double-crossed Shane, which was pretty low, but he was a willing participant in the drug-dealing too, so he was hardly innocent. You can't compare her to someone like Johnny, who was truly evil, and wanted to kill people for petty revenge reasons, and who blamed Sally for the fact that HE had his own brother murdered. Sam clearly wasn't right in the head the whole time she was on the show, but she obviously completely lost her mind by the end after what Johnny had done to her, raping her and threatening to destroy her chance of a happy family life with Jack and Rory.

If you ask me Jack and Martha were partly villains during that whole J/M/S period. How two perfectly sane people like Jack and Martha could treat someone like Sam (and consequently Rory) so cruelly is beyond me. At least Sam's behaviour could be explained by her being mentally ill, what was their excuse???

[martha-jack]

That's what i liked about JnM

I think Amanda was actually a brilliant villian because she was such a bitch!! She didnt care about anybody, which was fantastic.

I can't believe i forgot Amanda of all people!! she's like the best although i never really thought of her as a villian, just the sexy blonde who was Bad with a capital B

[Laura]

Yeah I wouldn't say she was a villian, just a bitch!

[martha-jack]

The best bitch going though and i hope she makes a return although i can't see it happening.