Christians

[charmed60]

I've always been a bit worried about the whole non-Christians won't see the kingdom of God thing, this implication that no matter how good a person you are, if you don't follow a faith or don't follow the "right" faith you're somehow damned."I am the way, the truth and the life.No-one comes to the father except by me."I doubt any theologians would agree with me but for my own peace of mind I like to think that means that you have to follow Christ's teachings and lead your life the way he instructed rather than following him personally.Which raises a lot of questions about the purpose of worship but never mind.Has anyone read the last Chronicles of Narnia book, The Last Battle, where they basically die and go to heaven and the Calorman chap is there with them and he says to Aslan "But I never worshipped you" and Aslan says "Anyone who does good does it in my name"?Good old CS Lewis.

It's perfectly plausible that that's what it could mean! Just because some Christians might not agree doesn't mean that they're right, the Bible is open to a lot of interpretations and I actually think it's makes more sense in the way Jesus spoke to and healed "sinners" that this is the correct interpretation. C S Lewis was a Christian!!

[emmasi]

Still on C. S. Lewis, I just read this passage in The Silver Chair and thought it was quite fitting to any kind of religious debate. The four protagonists are trapped underground with the Queen of the Underland who is trying to convince them that there's nothing above their heads, no world but her's, no Narnia and no Aslan - see: a skeptic trying to convince a believer that there is only this earth, and that there is no Heaven, Jesus, or God.

"Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up those things - trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones. Suppose this black pit of a kingdom of yours is the only world. Well, it strikes me as a pretty poor one. And that's a funny thing, if you're right. But four babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. I'm on Aslan's side, even if there isn't any Aslan to lead it. I'm going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there isn't any Narnia. So thanking you kindly for our supper, if these two gentlemen and the young lady are ready, we're leaving your court at once and setting out in the dark to spend our lives looking for the Overland. Not that our lives will be very long, I should think; but that's a small loss if the world's as dull a place as you say."

Amen, Mr Marsh-Wiggle.

[-Kevin-]

This thread is very complex and I really have no clue what is going on in here to be quite honest.I was planning on posting a repky but I really hav eno clue.That doesnt say much about my intellectual ability

[John]

It's got nothing to do with your intellectual ability. People over complicate the whole thing. It's just about whether you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus and that it was for you. The rest of the stuff is just "fluff" constructed by religious institutions.

[Symphony]

Catholics on the whole are against contraception I believe but not all Christians are. I'm a Christian and am from a denomination where we don't have the rituals or the 'spooky' Church (I find the traditional ones quite creepy myself) and the one I attend is not actually designed like a Church. Also in my denomination priests are allowed to marry, all the leaders of my Church are married and have children so I guess it depends on what 'path' of Christianity you look at. And were allowed to use contraception.

I don't agree with everything I sometimes hear Christians say and the teaching from the Bible which I follow mainly in my life is to "not judge others." I believe this includes not judging homosexuals.

A lot of people claim that religion is the cause for a lot of problems in the world but I don't think it's religions fault. Wherever you find a group of people there are bound to be eccentric individuals who take their beliefs (whether of a religious nature or just personal opinion) too far and cause harm to others. It is these individuals who need to be blamed, not religion as a whole. If it is followed how it was intended to be, no-one would have a problem with religion I don't think.

Not really - the Catholic 'faith' yes is against contraception, but again, most 'modern' Catholics don't believe in that either - just like the homosexuality. I say most with a pinch of salt, I am sure there are plenty of old school Catholics also.

As for going to mass every Sunday - I most certainly do Back home in Ireland, I used to play flute at mass at 7pm Saturday night, 11am Sunday morning, and again 7pm Sunday night. When I lived in Boston, I played at 5 masses every Sunday.

Do I seem like a highly religious person to you guys on this board? I don't think it shows through I also go to a fantastic Folk Liturgy Course for a week every August in Knockadoon in Cork. There's about 150 young people attend it - some of whom you'd never dream of seeing in a church, but as I said, religion isn't always the first thing you learn about people

That's another reason why I love Annie & Geoff; they're so openly religious, and yet totally accepted in the world of Summer Bay - it's fantastic to see it happening, although I do wish that some more episodes would be more in relation to their religiousness, as they don't really reference it any more!

[-Kevin-]

Catholics on the whole are against contraception I believe but not all Christians are. I'm a Christian and am from a denomination where we don't have the rituals or the 'spooky' Church (I find the traditional ones quite creepy myself) and the one I attend is not actually designed like a Church. Also in my denomination priests are allowed to marry, all the leaders of my Church are married and have children so I guess it depends on what 'path' of Christianity you look at. And were allowed to use contraception.

I don't agree with everything I sometimes hear Christians say and the teaching from the Bible which I follow mainly in my life is to "not judge others." I believe this includes not judging homosexuals.

A lot of people claim that religion is the cause for a lot of problems in the world but I don't think it's religions fault. Wherever you find a group of people there are bound to be eccentric individuals who take their beliefs (whether of a religious nature or just personal opinion) too far and cause harm to others. It is these individuals who need to be blamed, not religion as a whole. If it is followed how it was intended to be, no-one would have a problem with religion I don't think.

Not really - the Catholic 'faith' yes is against contraception, but again, most 'modern' Catholics don't believe in that either - just like the homosexuality. I say most with a pinch of salt, I am sure there are plenty of old school Catholics also.

As for going to mass every Sunday - I most certainly do Back home in Ireland, I used to play flute at mass at 7pm Saturday night, 11am Sunday morning, and again 7pm Sunday night. When I lived in Boston, I played at 5 masses every Sunday.

Do I seem like a highly religious person to you guys on this board? I don't think it shows through I also go to a fantastic Folk Liturgy Course for a week every August in Knockadoon in Cork. There's about 150 young people attend it - some of whom you'd never dream of seeing in a church, but as I said, religion isn't always the first thing you learn about people

That's another reason why I love Annie & Geoff; they're so openly religious, and yet totally accepted in the world of Summer Bay - it's fantastic to see it happening, although I do wish that some more episodes would be more in relation to their religiousness, as they don't really reference it any more!

Wow Symphony I had no idea that you were quite religious.

its really good that you play at mass every weekend .

Wow I cant believe so many young people attend the course every august ! Is it only people from the cork area or do people come from all over Ireland?

[charmed60]

Not really - the Catholic 'faith' yes is against contraception, but again, most 'modern' Catholics don't believe in that either - just like the homosexuality. I say most with a pinch of salt, I am sure there are plenty of old school Catholics also.

That's another reason why I love Annie & Geoff; they're so openly religious, and yet totally accepted in the world of Summer Bay - it's fantastic to see it happening, although I do wish that some more episodes would be more in relation to their religiousness, as they don't really reference it any more!

Oh okay, thanks for letting me know! I really love that about Annie and Geoff to, it's about time there were some religious characters who weren't crazy on the show! I'd like to see a bit more of Geoff's path to priesthood and although Annie can sometimes be highly irritating with her opinions, I do think it's an accurate portrayal of a young child reciting what she's heard and been taught without thinking. It's just like a kid with health freak parents criticising another child for eating a candy bar Not a great example I know but you get what I mean.

[Brian]

I really love that about Annie and Geoff to, it's about time there were some religious characters who weren't crazy on the show! I'd like to see a bit more of Geoff's path to priesthood and although Annie can sometimes be highly irritating with her opinions, I do think it's an accurate portrayal of a young child reciting what she's heard and been taught without thinking.

Yes I agree with you. If Geoff is so intent about becoming a minister, then he will probably be thinking about starting his training next year after he finished school. It is strange that he does not talk about this with Annie, not discuss it with Nicole. If he really loves Nicole, he would be telling her how important this is for him and how he could see this fitting in with any future relationship with her.

Still don't hear any of those in the cast , or any of you guys on this topic, mention the magic word of LOVE. As I wrote before, that is what it's all about for Christians. Take that away and what's left?

[John]

I really love that about Annie and Geoff to, it's about time there were some religious characters who weren't crazy on the show! I'd like to see a bit more of Geoff's path to priesthood and although Annie can sometimes be highly irritating with her opinions, I do think it's an accurate portrayal of a young child reciting what she's heard and been taught without thinking.

Yes I agree with you. If Geoff is so intent about becoming a minister, then he will probably be thinking about starting his training next year after he finished school. It is strange that he does not talk about this with Annie, not discuss it with Nicole. If he really loves Nicole, he would be telling her how important this is for him and how he could see this fitting in with any future relationship with her.

Still don't hear any of those in the cast , or any of you guys on this topic, mention the magic word of LOVE. As I wrote before, that is what it's all about for Christians. Take that away and what's left?

Can'y argue with that. The two great commandments:

1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul

2. Love your neighbour as yourself.

[Symphony]

Catholics on the whole are against contraception I believe but not all Christians are. I'm a Christian and am from a denomination where we don't have the rituals or the 'spooky' Church (I find the traditional ones quite creepy myself) and the one I attend is not actually designed like a Church. Also in my denomination priests are allowed to marry, all the leaders of my Church are married and have children so I guess it depends on what 'path' of Christianity you look at. And were allowed to use contraception.

I don't agree with everything I sometimes hear Christians say and the teaching from the Bible which I follow mainly in my life is to "not judge others." I believe this includes not judging homosexuals.

A lot of people claim that religion is the cause for a lot of problems in the world but I don't think it's religions fault. Wherever you find a group of people there are bound to be eccentric individuals who take their beliefs (whether of a religious nature or just personal opinion) too far and cause harm to others. It is these individuals who need to be blamed, not religion as a whole. If it is followed how it was intended to be, no-one would have a problem with religion I don't think.

Not really - the Catholic 'faith' yes is against contraception, but again, most 'modern' Catholics don't believe in that either - just like the homosexuality. I say most with a pinch of salt, I am sure there are plenty of old school Catholics also.

As for going to mass every Sunday - I most certainly do Back home in Ireland, I used to play flute at mass at 7pm Saturday night, 11am Sunday morning, and again 7pm Sunday night. When I lived in Boston, I played at 5 masses every Sunday.

Do I seem like a highly religious person to you guys on this board? I don't think it shows through I also go to a fantastic Folk Liturgy Course for a week every August in Knockadoon in Cork. There's about 150 young people attend it - some of whom you'd never dream of seeing in a church, but as I said, religion isn't always the first thing you learn about people

That's another reason why I love Annie & Geoff; they're so openly religious, and yet totally accepted in the world of Summer Bay - it's fantastic to see it happening, although I do wish that some more episodes would be more in relation to their religiousness, as they don't really reference it any more!

Wow Symphony I had no idea that you were quite religious.

its really good that you play at mass every weekend .

Wow I cant believe so many young people attend the course every august ! Is it only people from the cork area or do people come from all over Ireland?

religion is just part of my life; but not my whole life, if that makes sense. It's kids from all over ireland, and tutors from all over ireland. i'd link you to the website but it's under construction atm.

I agree about Geoff, and his path to priesthood, it seems like that has slipped on the wayside, although i'm glad he's been "converted" [probably a bad word to use ] from his single sighted-ness, like when he was convinced that Cassie must have done something bad and wrong in order to get HIV, that was shockingly - well, shocking I guess!

Agree too about Annie, the way she spouts off now and then, it's pure like a child who's had something drilled into them, and they dont even know why they do it, but do because it's what they've been taught!